And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 1 Corinthians 15:49

Saturday, July 3, 2021

Still On The Journey... Part Three

Is God about to do a New Thing? Or is it just my being more sensitive to something God has always been doing? That has been a thematic question I have had since the new year started, which began this major spiritual life change. 

I have studied Church History, and have always been fascinated with times of Great Awakenings, and things like the Jesus Revolution of the late 60's and early 70's. I got saved in the mid 70's  and have been through times of spiritual growth and long times of wilderness periods. Now that I am into another era of spiritual growth, and renewal, then I also wonder if this is also a time of preparation for another Great Awakening move of God? Do you not think if there was ever a time we needed it in this Country, and world wide, it would be now?

In a message called Viruses and Victories, Dr. Lynn Hiles detailed his research of the many times through the past centuries when the world has gone through plagues and viruses, and how at the same time there was a great move of God and spiritual reformations! Is it more than possible that while the world is trying to recover from this Global pandemic, that God is about to introduce a Global Spiritual Reformation?!!

That has been the message I have been hearing from many ministries, and also has been the theme of my heart since the beginning of the year. "A man's mind plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps and establishes them." Prov. 16:9 Amp. And while I am convinced that if President Trump was re elected, then I would not have made such a major shift in what was consuming my time politically, that many things developed into a life changing event. From feeling a growing sense of hunger for a closer relationship with the Lord to the point of tears! To the major upset in the election. To ending any concern over political results that were more than I could bear. To finding ways to fill that time with spiritual interests. At the same time as hearing from other sources, and sensing in my own spirit that God might just be at the beginning of a Global Spiritual Renewal.

And so at this point, I am not even sure if I will continue posting updates after this, but I will continue this post to include this following story of a recent event in my life. To begin with, I have been close friends for about 17 years or more with a Pastor Galen Winebrenner, who is the pastor of a church in Uniontown PA. called United Christian Temple. We have kept in touch many times throughout the years, and I have even had the pleasure of taking him flying on a few occasions. As I have been keeping him informed of these changes in my life, he had asked me to come speak at his church, which I was reluctant to do so, and said as much. 

In previous posts, I am sure I mentioned about sensing a calling to the ministry many years ago, and having nothing come of it, and after so many many years, of having come to terms with it not something that would happen, and so making peace between me and God.

Preaching again was not something that I wanted to have stirred up again within me! And so after several discussions with Pastor Galen, and after a I made a mid-week flight to visit and take him flying again, I filled him in on the details of my heart over the years. I finally agreed that if God made it known to me what to preach, then on the next available flyable day, I would make the 1 1/2 hour flight instead of the 3 1/2 hour drive to preach. Oh boy!

Imagine having not spoken much more than a greetings in visiting church services for more than 20 years, and having made peace with not even wanting to anymore, and yet being filled with countless hours of teachings and readings and ministry and talking and listening to God, and now being asked to speak a message!! 

I would have been content to never having been asked, but since I was, I did spend weeks thinking about and preparing for a message should the conditions arise. Sure enough I hearkened back to when I was in my mid 20's (some 40 years ago) and first felt a calling to preach and was sort of mentored by a lay minister from the church I was going to at the time, who did services for jail ministries and nursing homes. He gave me an outline for a sermon from Mark 4:35 where there is a storm on the sea of Galilee and Jesus is asleep in the boat so that I had an outline for my first message to preach at the nursing home. I thought that it would be a starting point to begin again and have something to develop from which I would have a message to share this time.

And so, as it has happened that on D-DAY, June 6th 2021 the weather was flyable and we flew to KVVS Connellsville airport near Uniontown PA. and I delivered my heart in a message I called "A Sermon 40 Years In The Making"  to the people of United Christian Temple. Cindi did record the message, which I may at some point include a link for posterity. 

While I would be very critical of my own preaching, I also recognized that it was something I had not had any experience doing for decades, and so, while I would preach it much different if I had to do it over again, I am also satisfied with at this point of it being one and done having felt like I delivered what God put on my heart to say.  However, unless God makes it clear that a door has been opened for me to be pushed through to preach more often, then it has fulfilled all that it was meant to do, which satisfied my wondering what it would be like for me to preach again, and also Galen's interest in hearing me preach. 

And while my plans are to continue with  still reading and listening and praying and waiting on God, and doing what Paul Young describes as "Living in the Grace of each day" and trying not to be "Future tripping" where he says, there is no Grace for our imaginations of future events that haven't and likely won't happen. At the same time, I will intend to be sensitive to listening to God, and continuing to seek if perhaps if I can be included and a part of it if indeed the answer is yes to the question.... Is God about to do a New Thing? And all of that while living in the Grace of one day, while we are Still On The Journey



Still On The Journey... Part Two

So now we come to the major life changes in my pursuit of a renewal of my spiritual relationship with God and an effort to feed this hunger that was beginning to consume me, at the same time as I was ending my time wasting efforts on politics.

We were not directly affected by the COVID-19 pandemic during the 2020 lock down, in so far as our jobs remained in tact, and neither Cindi nor myself got sick from this virus. (Although I did get cellulitis around Memorial Day during that time, and thought it was COVID related until a rash developed which led us to seek medical help which diagnosed the cellulitis and several weeks of treatment)

Other than that it was doing our jobs everyday, and now the effort of me trying to find something to fill in my time while driving, rather than listening to FOX news. So I found several CD's of sermon messages that I had not listened to in years, and began to play them on the drive, but it does not take long to hear many CD'S during 40 plus hours of driving in a week. 

I then found the collection of the Bible on CD that Cindi bought me many years ago, and I began a regimen of listening to first the Psalms, then Proverbs, then from the beginning of In the beginning God created.... all through the whole bible, then Psalms and Proverbs again, and several New Testament books again, repeating chapters etc. mixing it with more CD messages etc. This went on for many weeks!

At the same time, I began to read much more when I was home instead of watching TV, except for some sitcoms, or other shows not related to any political news! It is like a healing in my spiritual mind was taking place! Some of the books that I read, I hadn't read in decades, and many of them seemed to speak to me in very personal ways. I had 3 books by Malcolm Smith I read in the 70's that I re read which brought me to tears. I also ordered some other books, and happened to order another book based on a suggestion of other titles on Amazon called "Sinners In The Hands Of A Loving God" by Brian Zahnd because it was a new way of looking at the old sermon by Jonathan Edwards, called "Sinners in the hands of an Angry God",  which I had read before while studying Church History.

And while the order of things are somewhat blurry in my memory, I did enjoy the book by Brian very much, and was reminded that I had heard an interview between him and Paul Young who is the author of "The Shack" (another book and movie I enjoyed very much) I have also listened to hours of Paul's story on different interviews and video messages. Wow.

Cindi was of a great help to me at this time, because she showed me how to  download podcasts, and how I was able to play them on the radio in the truck, (which was ALL new to me!) And one of those podcasts was by Brian Zahnd who is the pastor of Word of Life Church in St. Joseph Missouri. I started from the beginning messages in 2017, and listened to sometimes 3 or 4 messages every day on my drive to Ohio and back. I am now caught up to the present sermons.  I also listened to other podcasts including Wayne Jacobsen, who also produced a series called "My friend Luis" which is the exciting real life spiritual adventures of a Mexican immigrant who began their friendship when Luis was first hired as a cleaning business for Wayne's home. Check it out at www.myfriendluis.com You will thank me later!

All along the way, I have taken more and more steps to seek to feed this hunger I had, for a more intimate fellowship with God! Along with many podcasts, I also listened to YouTube videos of sermons and teachings and messages, and then Cindi set me up with the app called Audible and I have listened to several books, as well as now having the bible on Audible, I no longer have to take the CD's with me. 

Indeed there has been a major change over the last 6 months as you can see, with many other things to say which could fill a book, but instead I will continue with a part three, to write about something else that happened for the first time in more than 20 years, which came about as part of telling the story of  the major life changes in my pursuit of a renewal of my spiritual relationship with God as I am Still On The Journey..


 

Still On The Journey... Part One

I am still on the journey! In spite of the fact that it is, the July 4th weekend of the year 2021! That means that it has been 7 years 8 months and 21 days, OR 402 weeks, OR 2,817 days since my last post! And I must say that a lot has transpired since then for me to write about, which I could not detail of course, but rather perhaps I could highlight a few key events that might be of some Spiritual interest?

Rather than pick it up from 2,817 days ago, I will skip forward to the beginning of this year 2021, and try to only mention before that time as it relates to recently. In general for months before this year I was often having spiritual hunger for a deeper relationship with God! It reminded me of spiritual wildernesses I have had in the past, and how when I came out from them, there was such profound joy, and I was indeed seeking to come out of this dark and dry period. 

It was almost like sitting in a place where it is sunny, perhaps reading, and as the sun sets it gets gradually darker, but you keep reading, and then straining to read, until it is dark enough that now you realize you need to turn the light on to see clearer, and when you do so, you wonder how you were able to read at all with how dark it had gotten.

Nobody thinks about eating when they are full. And no matter how good the food is, we all get to the point when we "can't eat another bite!" But eventually, our bodies use up the food we ate, and then have a unique way of sending signals that it is time to eat again and replenish our bodies. (this is not meant to expand into discussion of eating disorders). It is a metaphor for spiritual sustenance, and for some time my spiritual sustenance had dwindled to the point of where I was at the point of tears in my longing for a renewed closer relationship with God! 

I longed for that time back in around 1993 when I might call it "My Great Awakening" which led to many years of a Spiritual renewal! And now the sun had set, and it was getting "too dark to read" and I began looking for the light switch. Not just looking, but now getting desperate!!

The biggest change that ignited this major life change took place at the same time as the election of Biden for president. And I ONLY bring up politics because it is so crucial to understanding the nature of this difference. Since I have been a Conservative politically as long as I have taken any interest in politics, and I moved here from Canada in 2002 during Bush's first term, I have followed American politics closely ever since. And in short, I will admit that I liked the job that President Trump was doing for this Country, and was very much hoping and expecting him to be re-elected.

When that did not happen, and when it became clear that Biden would take the office of the presidency, I decided at that point I had reached the end of my political endurance. Almost overnight, I came to realize that no matter what I thought, it was not going to change any outcome! Like it or not, any opinion I had about what was happening was not going to have an effect on anything that took place in Washington, and all it was doing was to build up an unhealthy level of disappointment over the consequences of something I had no control over. I was now done with it all!

As a result, I decided to stop any attention to what was happening in politics. That meant stopping listening to political talk radio, (FOX news) as well as political TV shows (FOX) The problem being that I drive a tractor trailer set of double trailers every day for a total of 8 hours! And what to do with ALL that time?? I am too selective in my choice of music to leave it on any one station for very long, and 8 hours of silence is a long time! 

Thus, begins my venture into such a major change to fill in the time gap and how to feed my hunger for a closer relationship with God. 

With that background covered, I will write part two, that will explain the steps I took and how that began to re-ignite the Spiritual part of  how I Am Still On The Journey. 

 


Wednesday, October 16, 2013

In Light Of His Love For You!

On a recent trip to Berkley Springs WV my wife and I attended a ministry conference there. It has been a couple of years since the last time we went, and so we were really looking forward to going again this time. We were not disappointed!

There were a couple ministers who preached who we have heard before, but most who we have not. I got something out of every message preached that impacted my Spirit, and one particular point from a message by Mark Sanchez that I want to share in this post.

Mark tells of someone that goes to his church who's boss is an open homosexual. One day this boss calls the Christian guy into his office and closes the door, and says: "Jesus appeared to me last night!" The boss goes on to say, "Jesus stood there and said, 'I want to have a relationship with you.'
 'I said, you can't I am a homosexual.'
Jesus said, 'What does that have to do with My Love for you?'
 The boss responds, 'But I hate your people'
 Jesus said, 'What does that have to do with My Love for you?'
 The boss then says 'And I hate you!'
Jesus said, 'What does that have to do with My Love for you?' And then He vanished. The boss tells the Christian, 'Tell me about this Jesus!'"

Isn't that the whole message summed up right there that we should be bringing to the world? What does your sin, and failings and short comings have to do with Jesus' Love for you? I cannot tell you the amount of sermons that I have heard over the years that dictate the do's and the don't's of what is permissible and what is not! We are told that God's love for us depends on our actions. God loves you, but only if you clean up your act!

Oh, you might be told to come to Jesus, and he will wash your sins away, but once that happens, it is like it is up to you to make sure He doesn't have to wash your sins away again! Of course once you are saved, then it is possible to look down your noses at all those other people who don't live a righteous life like you do, and you can warn them of the fiery torment that is waiting for them when they might die any moment, and loose their chance to repent. Then it will be too late! NOT! (I hope you can read the sarcasm in this previous paragraph).

 All of this is focusing on your efforts to keep the law; to obey the Ten Commandments! When in fact, the purpose of the 10 commandments is to show you how futile your efforts really are! And just to make sure you know it, in the sermon on the mount, Jesus points out the intent of the heart is enough to condemn you if you are trying to justify yourself by your own efforts!

 But Jesus was not sent into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him would be saved! (John 3:17)

II Cor. 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

Take note of the bold words. Not imputing. Not laying to their charge, is how one translation puts it. Not imputing their trespasses against them! Well, if Jesus is not holding their sins against them, then who is? The dead letter of the law has no power to change a persons heart or nature or condition.

The NLT version puts it this way in Romans 2:4 "Don't you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you? Can't you see that his kindness is intended to turn you from your sin?"

The biggest complaint I hear from Christians when they hear such a message of Grace is: "So are you saying that you can live however you want, and sin all you want and God will just forgive it all and let you into heaven?" To which I reply, "How do you want to live? Didn't you ask Him into your heart? Isn't His nature within you? Don't you want to please him , or are you just living by what ever rules you think you need to in order to avoid going to some hell you have devised for sinners?

Don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit? Don't you know that you have been bought with a price? When Christians wonder why they should witness if everyone is going to be saved anyway; the short answer is because we know by experience the love of God, and they don't until you tell them!

This message even works for Christians, who have put themselves under condemnation because of their own short comings, and sins, and failures! How wonderful to have such burdens lifted, and freedom restored when you take it to Jesus and His forgiveness reminds you: what does all of that have to do In Light Of His Love For You!





Saturday, October 5, 2013

God Is Not Mad At You

Perhaps you have seen this sign before. "What's missing from CH--CH?" and then it would say "UR". as if it was saying "you are" missing from church. Cute, and catchy sign for sure, but it is also cute and catchy if  I say that the two letters can also stand for Universal Reconciliation! What really is missing from Church is the message of the reconciliation of all mankind! And I am of the firm belief that if U. R. were proclaimed within their walls, then not so many "You Are's" would be missing from church! The world is waiting for someone to tell them the Truth!

"And all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and has given to US the ministry of reconciliation; to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself by Jesus Christ, and has given unto US the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be reconciled to God" (II Cor. 5:18-20).

It is hard to fathom that such a concept is so foreign to the so called preaching of the Gospel by most churches. I say so called Gospel, because if you put a condition on the good news by suggesting that the Love of God is conditional on the actions of a persons mortal life on this earth, then it is NO Gospel at all!

The LOVE OF GOD FOR ALL MANKIND IS THE GOSPEL!! If you are preaching anything else but that; if you are hearing anything else but that preached; if that is being said with any kind of condition on the part of mankind to merit it, then it is NOT the Gospel, but rather a LIE

There is a singing ministry couple from Lake City Tenn,  that Cindi and I met a few years back by the name of Gerald and Kathy Hovater. They sing a lot of their own songs, and they have a couple of CD's available to purchase.  One of the songs that they composed and sing is called "God is Not Mad at You". This song has touched the hearts of many, many people that have heard it; saved and unsaved alike! Just the title alone is enough to cause joy and relief at the sound of it, and for some even disbelief, that it could be true based on what the church system has been telling them!

Think about it. God is NOT mad at you!! Is that the message you hear from the church you go to? Is that the message you hear from other Christians? Is that the message of the Gospel you share with others? God is not mad at you IS the message of the Gospel! Unfortunately, most Christians preach the kind of message that says God is not mad at me, but He is mad at YOU! I earnestly hope that as the reader of this post, you would make sure you do share the full measure of the Love of God for ALL creation, and that His Love is NEVER ending!

Meditate on this verse from the Phillips translation of Ephesians 3:14-19

14-19 When I think of the greatness of this great plan I fall on my knees before God the Father (from whom all fatherhood, earthly or heavenly, derives its name), and I pray that out of the glorious richness of his resources he will enable you to know the strength of the spirit’s inner re-inforcement—that Christ may actually live in your hearts by your faith. And I pray that you, firmly fixed in love yourselves, may be able to grasp (with all Christians) how wide and deep and long and high is the love of Christ—and to know for yourselves that love so far beyond our comprehension. May you be filled though all your being with God himself!

I believe many Christians put a limit on the Love of God for themselves, which is why they can also think that there is more of a limit on the Love of God for the unbeliever. They attach conditions to their own salvation, (conditions that do not exist in Scripture!) so that the same conditions and more can be attached to non believers, limiting God's love to their own carnal understanding.

I am persuaded by personal experience that if you ever got a momentary glimpse of the Love which God has for you, where Paul describes as "so far beyond our comprehension" that you then could not imagine such immutable Love could ever be overcome by the evil actions of any person, no matter how great. In other words, to the same measure you understand the Love God has for you, is the same measure you believe God could have for another. And if such Love is beyond your comprehension for yourself, then it is much more likely that you cannot believe such Love is extended beyond comprehension for All Creation. Truely you would need a revelation of the Love of God for yourself, to see that not only would you believe that God is not mad at me, but indeed you can freely tell the world: God Is Not Mad At You

Sunday, September 8, 2013

God Is Still Speaking! I Am Still Listening

I have not written any posts for the past couple of months for a few reasons. One is because I have been working a lot of hours, and have had limited time off available to write a post for this blog. Another reason is because some of the available time I did have, I used in pursuit of achieving the goal shown in the picture here.

This is a picture of the pilot examiner on the left handing me my private pilot certificate after successfully completing my flight test.

For the past 2 1/2 years I have had flown with what is called a Sport Pilot Certificate. An earlier blog post details that event.  It enabled me to fly a two seat airplane with certain conditions attached, including limited gross weight, day time flying, etc. And now I am able to fly bigger faster airplanes, and carry more passengers, and at night lifting most of the restrictions of the Sport License.

Another reason for not writing lately, has been because I am doubting there is any interest in what I have been posting. I suppose it is because blog posts do not generally get much feed back from casual readers. I do invest a lot of time and effort into each post I write, and also write a lot of drafts, that I do not post until I am happy with the result. Perhaps I have lost sight of a higher purpose?

We often hear people say, that if one person is helped by what we do, then it is all worth it. And that can be true to some extent, but I also think that it is a way of saying that we want our efforts to matter. A higher purpose is to write what God has placed on my heart to write, and leave the results up to Him! Even if a result is that I can read my own posts from the past, and be reminded of the truths I have learned in the past. Besides that; just maybe God has purposed a blog post or two, to matter to a casual reader or two.

While the overtime I have been working does not show any immediate indication of slowing down, and I still will have limited free time to write blog posts for a while; I will still try to be more frequent than I certainly have been till now. My goal is still to be obedient to what He would have me do.  God Is Still Speaking! I Am Still Listening.

Sunday, May 19, 2013

Living In A Mansion?

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:2

When ever a big lottery win is announced, whether people buy a ticket or not, everyone always imagines how they would spend the money if they won. Most people would quit their job. Some people would plan on how much they would give away and to whom. Most plan to buy the house of their dreams, and travel, and live a life of ease in luxury; and why not; it doesn't cost to dream. But notice that the dream of winning the lottery is so that we can spend it on tangible things, because we are a tangible thing gathering society! This is not a judgement, just an observation. I would buy things too! (An airplane!)

Consider what a native in an uncivilized village would do with a big lottery jackpot winnings. I think it would not hold much value to them because their existence is not based on an accumulation of materialistic things. Since we are a modern civilized consumer society, money holds great value for an exchange of goods and services, and success is often measured by an accumulation of materialistic items. That is just the way it is.

One of the drawbacks to that; and the main point now; is that, for the Christian, all of this focus on  materialism comes with a conflict in priorities and values, and it "colors" the way we interpret Scripture, and the way we live our lives.

One day a couple of weeks ago the Spirit of the Lord placed a thought in my mind I had never considered before. "What kind of furniture would be in the bedroom of the mansion that most Christians believe they would receive in heaven?" Wow! For that matter, what kind of kitchen would we need unless we still had to eat? What about the living room? Do we need a sofa, and lazyboy, a coffee table, and TV? How many bathrooms should there be?

I got to thinking of how often Christians sing "I've got a mansion just over the hill top in that bright land where we'll never grow old.... walk on streets of purest gold". Everyone is all excited about winning the spiritual lottery, and living in a mansion in heaven, and walking on streets of gold, not realizing that such a description is a metaphor for a spiritual life.

I have read books, and heard stories of many people who would tell of how they died and went to heaven, that would describe the mansion that they were going to have, and the opulent lifestyle they would live in heaven. It seems to attract the selfish materialistic desires of church people who are more interested in bringing earth to heaven rather than bringing heaven to earth!

The fact is that God is Spirit! Heaven is a Spiritual realm! These descriptions are symbolic. Gold is a symbol of Divinity, and streets of gold is talking about your divine walk, or lifestyle. A mansion (better translated "dwelling place") is not a brick and mortar building but a spiritual dwelling place in God.

Think about it for a second, do you believe for one minute that God is confined to and lives in a physical house in heaven?  Well, read the verse. "In my Father's house.." In my Father's what? House! Well, if the verse is not talking about a literal house for God, why would the "mansion" be literal?

"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!" (1 Kings 8:27)

Consider what God said in Isaiah: Thus says the LORD: "Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool; what is the house which you would build for me, and what is the place of my rest? All these things my hand has made, and so all these things are mine, says the LORD....." (Isaiah 66:1)

"Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?" (1 Corinthians 3:16)

If you think that the bible needs to be taken literally, then are we to assume that some will be made into a pillar with graffiti on it?

"He who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God; never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name." (Revelation 3:12)

I guess one might say that all of this talk about mansions over the hilltop is pretty harmless, but it really is not harmless to the Christian who wants to mature in the things of the Lord! No different than someone older than a small child should believe in Santa or the Easter bunny! All of this focus on material riches and wealth, and prosperity leads to greed and selfishness, and spiritual impotence!

Look what Paul says: "And having food and raiment let us be therewith content."  I Tim. 6:8. Food and clothing should be enough to make you content; not riches, or mansions, or even a house to live in or a bed to sleep on!

Does all this mean that it is somehow wrong to win a lottery or to have lots of money and have a big house and fancy car? Absolutely not, as long as these things don't possess you! And here is the test. I will call it the Job Test!  Can you lose everything you own, and start from scratch and not curse God?

Perhaps that is the defining factor for a deep spiritual life here on earth? To fully know what Jesus meant when He said: "And he said unto them, Take heed , and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth" Luke 12:15.  Can we say that?

I like this quote from Kipling's poem "IF" If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss;...Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!


Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that the heavenly realm of existence is not beautiful, on the contrary, consider what Paul says in I Cor. 2:9 "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." However, don't stop reading there, or you will miss what he says in the next verse! "But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God."

You see, I think we set our sights way to low if we take that which is gloriously spectacular in the spiritual sense, and reduce it to the tangible earthly interpretation of confining our existence in heaven to the natural carnal understanding equal to the lottery winning ability of  Living In A Mansion.